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Saturday, January 05, 2008

Is the USA a Christian nation?

Some folks, if they have their way, would have you think so. Sadly, a small group of vociferous right-wing talebangelists would LOVE to remake the US into a theocracy (and stunningly, they've actually made inroads toward that goal), and rewrite American history to reflect the lie.

PZ Myers recently highlighted the issue on Pharyngula and pointed to a good dissection of the issue on Daily Kos. In that article, the folks at Kos linked to Liars for Jesus.

Who voted how on HR 847 ("Recognizing the importance of Christmas and the Christian faith"):

How did your elected representative vote? Ours, Lamar Smith, R-TX voted "yea". Sigh. Go figure ...

Spineless frakking politicians.

Whatever happened to the America of the Founding Fathers?

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
-- James Madison

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"
--John Adams

"The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun."
-- Thomas Paine

"The clergy, by getting themselves established by law and ingrafted into the machine of government, have been a very formidable engine against the civil and religious rights of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson


Anonymous Anonymous said...

chuck, chuck, chuck... much respect, but you appear to be a bit down on Christianity. I notice that you refer to yourself as a pagan. Doing a bit of historical research might reveal that the most awefull crimes against humanity have be perpetrated, not by Christians, but by those considered Pagans. Atheists would be the next catagory. Please tally up the death toll of the Pre and post Stalin years and lets see how Atheism fairs against Christianity. While I agree that America is a wonderful experiement in separation of church and state, I do not hold the founding fathers as Saints. Many were, in fact, members of a religious cult -- Masonry. We dont have to dig very far to realize that most were of questionable character.

Perhaps you are not condemning all of Christianity? Do you know the history of Orthodoxy, for instance, which has an ubroken tradition reaching back to New Testament times. Orthodoxy was the state religion of One of the most succesfull Empires in history, Byzantium. Like all empires, Byzantium has plenty of bloodshed , but she also propagated charity and humanism on a scale never before encountered by the human race. Until they were Christianized, Pagan civilizations were not exactly experiencing goodness and truth.

All in all Christianity has brought positive and measurable reform to human lives. In its most ancient form, Christian faith is entirely humanistic, demoratic, and infinitely compassionate. Perhaps you should get out a bit more and move beyond your stereotypes of "evangelical left wingers". They are actually a very late development in christianity.

Being an 'eastern' minded fellow, I might suggest you look up Mount Athos and see if there is anything in that place that might help reform your animosity towards christianity...

12:33 PM  
Blogger Carolus Hereticus said...

First of all, you seem to know me, or at least know who I am. If so, then please do me the honor of NOT posting anonymously. If you actually knew me, you'd know that I abhor such.

If you prefer to hide behind anonymity, then I can only discount your comment and move on. If, however, you desire engaged and respectful dialogue then post openly and honestly and don't hide.

3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No deception intended. Laziness, I might be guilty of. I did not feel like taking the time to register so the Anonymous was the path of least resistance. No, I really do not know you, but I was looking for martial art training in the Indy area and came across your blog. I know a bit about Atheist history and a whole bunch about Christian history. Some of the quotes you posted from the 'founders' are at minumum one sided and possibly offensive to potential Christian students such as myself.

1:43 PM  

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